tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post9046877295893878803..comments2024-03-25T11:19:35.199-04:00Comments on The Small Hold - Will Not Go Down Without a Fight: Carrying Capasity - Stress, Hope and PridePioneerPreppyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-86558497386722835332013-09-06T09:40:42.988-04:002013-09-06T09:40:42.988-04:00PP - another really great post! i think everyone h...PP - another really great post! i think everyone has already covered what i would have added, so this is a really good discussion. keep the posts like this coming!<br /><br />your friend,<br />kymber<br />kymberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02607117635648274823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-22490184741579932082013-09-06T09:39:47.997-04:002013-09-06T09:39:47.997-04:00Ray - i completely agree in regards to saving seed...Ray - i completely agree in regards to saving seed - it is definitely a lost skill that many people never even consider. being able to grow your own food and then save the seed for next year just might be the thing that can get a community through a year or two once food stocks run out. i say it over and over again - it's great to have food stores but in a survival/grid-down situation, you kymberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02607117635648274823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-52526469108759726242013-09-05T11:22:55.560-04:002013-09-05T11:22:55.560-04:00We have a nuk plant north of us. Do I worry no. Bu...We have a nuk plant north of us. Do I worry no. But it is in the back of my mind.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16800149852939042454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-55652345536039931912013-09-05T10:49:38.463-04:002013-09-05T10:49:38.463-04:00I know if off topic for this post, but my thinking...I know if off topic for this post, but my thinking is that in this scenario, with no mass communication, people wouldn't know how wide spread the disaster is. Its reasonable to assume that some would go looking for handouts or family in the cities. Of course, they would meet refugees who might be coming out from the cities. It seems like the biggest variable in any scenario.roger uhttp://nclinksandthinks.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-85610844952220169872013-09-05T07:22:11.037-04:002013-09-05T07:22:11.037-04:00I grew up on a sustenance farm in eastern Kentucky...I grew up on a sustenance farm in eastern Kentucky. We farmed with mules and horses. One thing even hard core "prepers" seem to miss is SEED. Most farmers/ gardeners buy fresh seed every 1-3 years. Seed catalogs have been around for 200+ years! Most seed today is hybrid to some extent, and many "Heirloom" plants are very prone to infections. "Seed trading" networks Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-55004205266649177282013-09-04T22:33:18.229-04:002013-09-04T22:33:18.229-04:00Harry - I just have little regard or worry about l...Harry - I just have little regard or worry about looters and bandits. While they could be a problem early in a collapse scenario they have very poor life expectancy. Most raiders throughout history had a base and a supporting population to retreat to between raids. Local bandits typically did not last long at all.<br /><br />The default attitude for most humans is community and cooperation for PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-28195927169397840322013-09-04T22:29:02.711-04:002013-09-04T22:29:02.711-04:00Anon - Some damned good examples. The Russian fami...Anon - Some damned good examples. The Russian family is particularly telling now that the last daughter is left alone and constantly trying to get more hermits from their particular religious group to come live with her. I think that may back up our theory some.<br /><br />As for population shift this scenario would not include FEMA. Government intervention in a slow collapse is a whole other PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-90460735029875627392013-09-04T22:26:29.296-04:002013-09-04T22:26:29.296-04:00What get's me is the otherwise aware people wh...What get's me is the otherwise aware people who will back nuclear 100% saying there is no way it can melt down. Yet these people talk about prepping for a collapse?<br />PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-17173000508114821012013-09-04T14:19:16.466-04:002013-09-04T14:19:16.466-04:00I wonder. Lately I've run across some blogs th...I wonder. Lately I've run across some blogs that espouse the philosophy of the Vandals. Let others work and then take the fruits of their labors. Or, as I remember one person putting it, "I'll be a walker. I'll find p**sies and take their s**t. F**k them."<br /><br />I suppose a walker means a wanderer and the rest of it is pretty clear.Harry Flashmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05071021900005041592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-54739001059777832852013-09-04T11:27:05.680-04:002013-09-04T11:27:05.680-04:00I just found your blog through a link to the previ...I just found your blog through a link to the previous post. Interesting stuff.<br /><br />The story of Ishi would agree with your assessment of individual survival. He had all the skills necessary and still couldn't do it,<br />"Ishi lived three years beyond the raid alone, the last of his tribe. Finally, starving and with nowhere to go, at the age of about 49 on August 29, 1911, Ishi roger uhttp://nclinksandthinks.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-50100258336935125232013-09-04T11:23:21.700-04:002013-09-04T11:23:21.700-04:00And if you have ever drank a few with some of the ...And if you have ever drank a few with some of the controllers you would be even more nervous. Amazing the number of times there has been an incident threatening an unscheduled shut down. Never even a hint in the media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-20397066734180234442013-09-04T11:10:56.359-04:002013-09-04T11:10:56.359-04:00Anon - Those skills from your childhood will prove...Anon - Those skills from your childhood will prove invaluable I assure you.<br /><br />The Nuke plant thing is a problem. I do not understand why so many people are willing to accept the it's safe cry when they leave so many dangerous spent rods in pools. Regardless of how many redundancy settings they put in place it still boils down to human labor and attention. Take those away and what PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-10982528305558692442013-09-04T11:07:26.398-04:002013-09-04T11:07:26.398-04:00Sf - Good points and the ones I was trying to conv...Sf - Good points and the ones I was trying to convey as well. The farmers around me are exactly as you describe. The older ones do remember but the younger ones haven't a clue. There is no more slaughter days, no variance in planting or diversity in what is kept. <br /><br />In general the modern farmers are not going to be any better off in a collapse situation except that they are already PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-90815521257391609602013-09-04T09:13:47.183-04:002013-09-04T09:13:47.183-04:00The last two blog posts are IMO your best to date....The last two blog posts are IMO your best to date. Luckily, I had older family involved in my upbringing. The aunties taught me to garden and preserve food as they had learned, along with sewing and weaving. Grandpa taught me animal husbandry. Dad taught me to forage, hunt and how to butcher. Few people today have the opportunity to learn as I did.<br /><br />We were fortunate to find a place Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-34089026424072005312013-09-04T07:02:40.354-04:002013-09-04T07:02:40.354-04:00The farmers around me know what the government tel...The farmers around me know what the government tells them which is what the chemical companies and monsanto tells the politician which they bought. The old men know how it used to be but the young ones have never used a plow if they even have one, it is constant spraying and planting genetically altered store bought seed, they don't have any seed that they can save and store that is open Sunnybrook Farmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135224259672444423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-52469255965624109562013-09-04T05:29:08.608-04:002013-09-04T05:29:08.608-04:00Russ - They know what today's agriculture take...Russ - They know what today's agriculture takes certainly but most of them would have little understanding of what it would take without the machines and GMO seeds. Depending on the area most of them have no clue what growing actual food crops is all about only the standard two or three feed crops they usually grow. The needs of old varieties are completely lost to them as are the soil preps,PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-5855204896351859902013-09-04T05:14:15.652-04:002013-09-04T05:14:15.652-04:00The farmer types I have met know way more than any...The farmer types I have met know way more than anyone else I have met on how to grow crops. They have a much better concept of soil composition and chemistry, drainage, planting times, etcetera. They will not have all the tools they used to have, but they have studied the science of it, and will have a lot more materials on hand (seeds, fertilizers, pesticides, land) than most.<br /><br />Thererussell1200https://www.blogger.com/profile/16258915475311426433noreply@blogger.com