tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post6738655229353401580..comments2024-03-25T11:19:35.199-04:00Comments on The Small Hold - Will Not Go Down Without a Fight: The Right to FailPioneerPreppyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-932327863329664842015-02-05T17:59:22.580-05:002015-02-05T17:59:22.580-05:00Russ - I don't disagree at all. I was kinda lo...Russ - I don't disagree at all. I was kinda looking at this development as in addition to the other problems you mentioned though. I think as TB stated above we are about the first society to ever embrace this equal outcome mumbo jumbo and it set's us into a different position.<br /><br />Again I am phrasing it badly too. I should have waited longer after feeding time to collect my PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-86697890930395646382015-02-05T17:57:02.917-05:002015-02-05T17:57:02.917-05:00TB - Thanks!!!
They do still allow some individua...TB - Thanks!!!<br /><br />They do still allow some individual failures of course but by supporting ideologies and other large groups they have created an atmosphere contrary to the natural order of things I think.<br /><br />Yes switching from equal opportunity to social engineering the outcomes was an early addition to make this problem larger than it should have ever gotten.<br />PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-26037463317181857762015-02-05T17:54:26.012-05:002015-02-05T17:54:26.012-05:00Janet - Yes it has. The insidiousness of the thing...Janet - Yes it has. The insidiousness of the thing is what frightens me.<br />PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-78553743879782256412015-02-05T17:47:55.830-05:002015-02-05T17:47:55.830-05:00Agree wholeheartldyAgree wholeheartldyMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967355941603195101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-27755590287785545312015-02-05T17:46:53.592-05:002015-02-05T17:46:53.592-05:00MV - and yet those same home owners will be out us...MV - and yet those same home owners will be out using the fact they "Paid for their own house" as a measure of their success too. By not allowing people to fail the government gives them credibility.<br />PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-28645678144117475782015-02-05T17:45:43.259-05:002015-02-05T17:45:43.259-05:00RP - LOL I am a cheap date. I only drink iced tea ...RP - LOL I am a cheap date. I only drink iced tea :)<br />PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-1551954312414819292015-02-05T17:45:19.051-05:002015-02-05T17:45:19.051-05:00LW - And repeated failure takes away your credibil...LW - And repeated failure takes away your credibility too. Since we never seem to discredit no one feels they are wrong but always right which in turn causes more strife.<br />PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-52972299017716586792015-02-05T17:44:09.957-05:002015-02-05T17:44:09.957-05:00mark - and in turn by doing so the give the failur...mark - and in turn by doing so the give the failures legitimacy too. Thereby confusing all the others.<br /> PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-78459842625899766242015-02-05T17:43:16.633-05:002015-02-05T17:43:16.633-05:00Matt - What it does is it makes sure no one has to...Matt - What it does is it makes sure no one has to truly prove themselves. They are allowed to follow say whatever form of Christianity (or any other religion) in whatever form they wish because there is nothing that shows what they want to believe is not the truth. Any heretical ideology is actually given merit because it doesn't fail.<br /><br />I am wording it badly but I think you get thePioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-19586145270858762062015-02-05T17:40:33.549-05:002015-02-05T17:40:33.549-05:00It also adds to the fact that everyone always thin...It also adds to the fact that everyone always thinks they are right. No matter which way they swing they still get a check, they still live and no need to do without. The daddy state really takes care of everyone these days.<br />PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-88940524629650505882015-02-05T17:35:45.229-05:002015-02-05T17:35:45.229-05:00Indy - Good points. Failure can still happen they ...Indy - Good points. Failure can still happen they have only hitched the entire wagon to it now I guess. In order for the stuff that should fail to do so we are all going to have to sink I guess.<br /><br />As I said good point!!!<br /><br />PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-16939731979160897052015-02-05T17:34:46.111-05:002015-02-05T17:34:46.111-05:00Kymber - Ya I remember grades and actually doing w...Kymber - Ya I remember grades and actually doing work in school. Had they limited this ideology to school we may have been ok but these days they extend it to cities and states too.<br />PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-91552718542311761952015-02-05T09:47:00.076-05:002015-02-05T09:47:00.076-05:00My take on it is slightly different, but not compl...My take on it is slightly different, but not completely out of line with what you are saying. My view is a little closer to what Niven and Pournelle I think were trying to get at in Lucifer's Hammer.<br /><br />A society that is growing 3% compounding (and the compounding part is important) for over 100 years can afford all sorts of add on "benefits" and beliefs. You can do all russell1200https://www.blogger.com/profile/16258915475311426433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-46151244168774581692015-02-04T23:33:58.774-05:002015-02-04T23:33:58.774-05:00When I was driving home yesterday some radio progr...When I was driving home yesterday some radio program that had a bit on the constitution said that the Founders valued equality of opportunity while our current society values equality of results. I think this is a part of it too - it is not just that people or movements should not fail but that people should not be all that successful either - after all, if you succeed, someone else fails.<br />Toirdhealbheach Beucailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14872794169534403463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-65209209127705634142015-02-04T23:29:27.616-05:002015-02-04T23:29:27.616-05:00People say "Failure is not an option" bu...People say "Failure is not an option" but I think they often do not mean in the sense of the original saying. It is almost a motivational thing at this point rather than a commitment to success.Toirdhealbheach Beucailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14872794169534403463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-87775106965016586222015-02-04T22:55:09.033-05:002015-02-04T22:55:09.033-05:00Very insightful! The nanny state has done this.Very insightful! The nanny state has done this.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432449733262285122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-73569439059550594892015-02-04T22:52:48.752-05:002015-02-04T22:52:48.752-05:00Boy ain't that the truth! Those big banks sho...Boy ain't that the truth! Those big banks should have been allowed to fail & the little ones that were honest would have grown to take their place. I also have little sympathy for the homeowners who bought knowingly outside of their means planning on flipping into something bigger. Let them take the loss too.MuddyValleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13561027881611420247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-55577614429223578282015-02-04T21:08:45.970-05:002015-02-04T21:08:45.970-05:00Very well said, Preppy. If we ever meet, the first...Very well said, Preppy. If we ever meet, the first round's on me.Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-34133984444014118822015-02-04T18:52:59.995-05:002015-02-04T18:52:59.995-05:00I just saw that some areas want to ban sled riding...I just saw that some areas want to ban sled riding. If you crash, you learn not to do that again. Failure teaches resolve, perseverance, many good traits. <br />This world is doomedlongtime wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16943663153016717921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-52588259148374810652015-02-04T18:01:40.050-05:002015-02-04T18:01:40.050-05:00you and IndyJones have got a great start on the ro...you and IndyJones have got a great start on the root cause for most of our misery.<br />Liberals not only subsidize failure, they punish success!<br />Higher taxes on more successful people!<br /><br />Punish success- are you likely to see more success? No.<br />Reward failure are you likely to see more failure - Yes.<br /><br />All of liberalism consists of punishing success and rewarding marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-60138159880682800332015-02-04T17:13:06.520-05:002015-02-04T17:13:06.520-05:00Well, "true" Christianity does support t...Well, "true" Christianity does support the right to fail. It the portion of "sow the wind and reap the whirlwind". You reap what you sow.<br /><br />another verse is:<br /><br />"A Prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it". Proverbs 22:3 again the action vs consequence idea<br /><br />But given today's modern Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967355941603195101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-9683793553889091262015-02-04T16:30:23.682-05:002015-02-04T16:30:23.682-05:00The school system put up a big banner in front of ...The school system put up a big banner in front of their building that said "Failure is not an option" I wanted to add ", It is a Fact" to the banner but the wife suggested that I leave it alone. That banner goes to the root of what you are saying, Failure is not allowed, how could anyone utter such nonsense. It goes against Darwin and just about all we know from religion and Sunnybrook Farmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135224259672444423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-90357267858599515912015-02-04T15:32:39.546-05:002015-02-04T15:32:39.546-05:00I think the right to fail has never gone away...it...I think the right to fail has never gone away...it's just that the government subsidizes the failures so there seem to be no consequences to failure. Whether it is corporate failure, group failure, or individual failure the government steps in to subsidize it so that there appears to be no downside. But if you look at the national debt and include promises not yet included in the debt it isindyjonesoutherenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8788289492661192400.post-28667651881097116572015-02-04T15:10:41.546-05:002015-02-04T15:10:41.546-05:00PP - Outstanding! the right to fail! and it starts...PP - Outstanding! the right to fail! and it starts in our schools! all kids get a smiley face just for participating! that's pure BS right there! i remember a time when showing up didn't automatically mean you passed the course! i remember when there were tests that were actually graded and if you didn't do the assignment - you GASP - failed! same thing for Sunday School, Brownies andkymberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02607117635648274823noreply@blogger.com